Given this bit of dad's wikipedia entry: "... Shortly thereafter, he returned to Princeton to pursue a doctorate in moral philosophy. Rawls then married Margaret Fox, a Brown graduate, in 1949. Margaret and John had a shared interest in indexing - they spent their first holiday together writing the index for a book on Nietzsche...
...maybe it's not all that surprising that something might go wrong with the offspring.
I continue to be appalled that the crescent has been completely appropriated. I eat my crescent rolls suspiciously, merely glance at the crescent moon and I am beginning to understand the full implications of, dare I say it, Croissants. French and Islamo-fascist. I bet all phone calls from any Au Bon Pain are intercepted by the NSA. And should be.
It's even worse than an islamofascist prayer center—it's a depiction of female genitalia. Yes, female. As in weak, appeasing, pussified sweet surrender female. Now is that the kind of memorial we want for manly patriotic Americans? (Of course, I've never actually seen any female genitalia. But I know it when I imagine it, and it's right there next to the grassy knoll.)
Actually, there are a few sane, and very funny voices (amidst the nutjobs) in the comments Rawls'(!) crescent lunacy post.
Not just islamofascist, but "krypto-islamo-fascist" does he rail against.
I imagine they're hiding under his bed, just waiting for him to turn out the lights and go to sleep so they can paint red crescents all over the walls.
Man, the obsessive-compulsive fussing over the numerology is just creepy...and then there are all those right-wing blogs chiming in and cheering him on to deeper and deeper madness. That poor guy needs help.
This "female" thing seems to be a commong talking point for wingnuts. There's a wacko posting on my local neighborhood message board who's always trotting out phrases like "feminized liberals." Wonder what the well all this fountain of shit springs from?
For a woman, fighting against an invader also risks death, but surrender offers much better reproductive prospects for women than for men. A woman’s reproductive capacity is part of the booty, often the primary booty, that invaders have always been after. Thus a fertile woman could almost be guaranteed that, with surrender, her reproductive capacity would not be wasted. This difference in biological incentives will have left women with stronger instincts to surrender.
And, suddenly, we have the answer to the old Zen riddle "What is the sound of one hand typing?" Even worse than the Big Giant Head or Scooter Libby's attempts at "erotic fiction".
Holy jeezul, it's like a batshit-crazy wingnut version of this kind of New Agery. Hell, I'm suprised Mr. Loon ain't warning us about the link between Islam and the Satanic Reptilian invaders from Arcturus. (Or is that not far off?)
I have a challenge for you all. How about if a couple of your visitors to my post check out one or two of my assertions and report back here whether they are correct or not?
An obvious starting point is the orientation of Murdoch's huge red crescent within two degrees of Mecca. You can find my analysis here, and here is a great circle calculator you can use.
Here are some updated coordinates for the crash site and Mecca, from Google Earth. Crash site: 40:03:07N by 78:54:17W, Mecca 21:25:48N by 39:49:12E.
The Memorial Project never investigated this information, even after hundreds of people tried to tell them. I asked the publicity manager when he got in touch with me: "Did anyone at the Memorial Project ever investigate the orientation of the crescent on Mecca?" He answered: "Everything faces somewhere."
Are you guys going to be as oblivious as that? If so, you are going to be awfully surprised when this thing gets withdrawn.
I just checked Mr. Rawls' assertions using the "great circle" link and info he gave, and unless I'm reading it wrong it says the course from the crash site to Mecca is 317.5 degrees - 42.5 degrees off.
And even if it WAS pointing directly at it, it's still a crap arguement. So it points at Mecca. Big deal.
317.5 is the direction from Mecca to the crash site. So good! Mr. Ubu punched the numbers into the calculator correctly. He just looked in the wrong heading box for the result.
Does anyone else think orientation on Mecca is no big deal? Do you know what a crescent that people face into to face Mecca is called? It is called a "mihrab," and is the central feature around which every mosque is built, the same way that every Christian church is built around an altar and cross.
Does that make anyone curious about what else is in Murdoch's design? It sure made me curious. You all can't be THAT much different.
317.5 is the direction from Mecca to the crash site.
And still - your point is? There's a EEEEVIL Islamic Conspiracy to align the memorial with Mecca to channel the earth energy and revive the Elder Gods? The Black Magic Islamofascist symbolism is going to turn us all into Muslim fanatics? What?
Alec, have you been able to discern a relationship of the memorial's alignment with Illuminati "Ley" lines? 9/11=Illuminati plot...lots of legwork out there done already you could tie to!
# posted by Crazy homeless guy on the bus : 12:15 PM
Would you be indifferent if the memorial was to incorporate the world's largest altar and cross?
Pere, you are a very odd bird. You can't say "yes," because that would be a lie, so you say "yes?" which is who knows what. Your whole schtick is to avoid thinking straight for two seconds in a row. That was pretty obvious when you reported the Mecca to crash-site direction rather than the crash-site to Mecca direction because it was the Mecca to crash-site direction that was wrong.
How about somebody else? There has to be some rationality amongst the lot of you, or what the hell are you doing?
by the way wingnut, I mean Alec, only Catholic churches are built around an altar and a cross, not all Christian churches. Try to keep your crazy facts straight.
I'm a psychiatric social worker who often works with individuals with fixed delusions. To them, their perceptions and interpretations of events around them make perfect sense, and everyone else is crazy, irrational, ignorantly unconcerned or part of the conspiracy. Sorry, Mr. Rawls, but I'm getting a pretty strong sense of the delusional disorder from you.
reading Rawls obsessive , vapid charting of the 911 Pens memorial reminds me of another famous obsessive wak-job , the serial killer John Doe in Seven ( se7en to fans ) , and his endless , painfully regimented notebooks . The biggest and most pertinent difference being that John Doe made a lot more sense , and he was a Pure sociopath.
What does that make Rawls ?
Don't matter , he'll be inheriting the RNC chairmanship post eventually .
Interesting - this is what real art is about. The Rorschach-type ambiguity that allows you to bring your own thoughts, experiences, sensibilities, etc., delivering a unique and personal interpretation to someone else's work. Me, - I'm a sentimentalist and probably too literal - I saw a shape that would almost be the ground being dug out by the plane's entry, the red of the maples a show of the blood and the landscape blending together in a grove - an ashes to ashes approach that at some point will be impressive and beautiful in its display. Alec has shown a great dark paranoid interpretation, tinged with a nationalistic (?or would that be religious) fanaticism that shows so much of his own inner psyche. I think he has been creatively stifled and therefore wants to add meanings to the artist's work that aren't there. I think Alec should pursue his artistic dream. The sample I've seen of his early work is simplistic and obvious but I'm sure with a little practice he can express his racism with some subtlety.
Sarah: I am delusional because I try to get people to pay attention to THE FACTS? I suppose your model of rationality is Pere Ubu, who sees a fact in fron of his face (the crash-site to Mecca direction) and has to immediately look away and report an errant "fact" instead (the Mecca to crash-site direction)?
At this point, I'm wondering EVERYBODY here completely irrational. What does Mr. Bogg have to say? Is he any more capable of investigating a basic fact, like the Mecca orientation of Murdoch's crescent, than his readers? Do it. Let's have some due dilligence here. He claimed I am wrong. Let's see him verify it, or admit HE was wrong, as any honest person would gladly do.
I reported the "wrong" direction because I had expected the course to be 0 degrees if it "pointed" at Mecca. (I'm not good at math. Bite me.)
I responded "...yes?" because I have no fucking idea what you're looking for in positing a "altar and cross" at the crash site. YOU are the one who's got a broomstick up the ass over a perceived religious reference, not me. (and that's ALL it is, chucko - a percieved religious reference.) And you STILL haven't explained WHAT the big frickin' whoop it would make if it WAS aligned with Mecca or it's a huge crescent or it's red or it's got a tree where the star should be.
I don't care WHAT it looks like - you must, otherwise you wouldn't have written page after page after page of "proofs" that this is some sort of wierdass EEEEEVIL conspiracy thing.
May I advise you to look into "Everquest"? It'd offer you the same opportunities for obsessiveness and allow you to be just as obnoxious. Plus it'd keep you off the streets, which would be a real benefit from my point of view.
When i was 8 years old , my Dad and I did a test . We left a strip of bacon in a cardboard box , another in a cardboard pyramid and another on a table top . After a week , the bacon in the pyramid was the best preserved. Had we tested an amazing property of shape dynamics ? Had we found the secret of preserved mummies in Egypt? Did it affect our lives one bit ?
Please explain the pyramid on the US dollar bill . I am scared pissless.
That "surrender" quote of Rawls by PZ...whoah boy. It's often been my experience during sex that men surrender to me. But really, it seems to me that each surrenders to the other. Makes for a cozy time. Am I a crazy delusional female who doesn't know her biological place?
Hey, guys, y'know what just occurred to me? The moon. Yes, the moon!THE GODDAMN MOON!! ... There's a crescent moon twice each month! Aiiiyeeeee!
We must shield our democracy-loving, Western-God-fearing eyes from this celestial abomination! Maybe NASA could rig up a covering — call it, oh I don't know, a sheejab perhaps?
I'm a psychiatric social worker who often works with individuals with fixed delusions. To them, their perceptions and interpretations of events around them make perfect sense, and everyone else is crazy, irrational
Rawls: At this point, I'm wondering EVERYBODY here completely irrational.
Wow. They don't usually just jump into the butterfly net like that.
I still don't see why it is relevant whether the memorial faces Mecca, the Vatican or Wrigley Field. I doubt that someone paying respect to a missing loved one is going to sniff the air and exclaim, "Hey! I'm almost facing Mecca!"
The Memorial Project never investigated this information, even after hundreds of people tried to tell them. I asked the publicity manager when he got in touch with me: "Did anyone at the Memorial Project ever investigate the orientation of the crescent on Mecca?" He answered: "Everything faces somewhere."
Other things never properly investigated :
The glowing man on my front lawn
Roswell
"Back, and to-the-left..."
America Votes 2000, 2004.
911 Rubble
RODS ( i think they're likely friendly)
in short , many urgently needed answers are waiting for enterprising young obsessives to get to the bottom of them .
I have an address for a guy who makes foil hats directly from a casting of your head ...gimme a sec...
The Memorial Project never investigated this information, even after hundreds of people tried to tell them. I asked the publicity manager when he got in touch with me: "Did anyone at the Memorial Project ever investigate the orientation of the crescent on Mecca?" He answered: "Everything faces somewhere."
Other things never properly investigated :
The glowing man on my front lawn
Roswell
"Back, and to-the-left..."
America Votes 2000, 2004.
911 Rubble
RODS ( i think they're likely friendly)
in short , many urgently needed answers are waiting for enterprising young obsessives to get to the bottom of them .
I have an address for a guy who makes foil hats directly from a casting of your head ...gimme a sec...
We think you are delusional because you are exhibiting magical thinking. Let's say the FACTS you are obsessed with are true. As Pere Ubu and Crazy Homeless Guy on the Bus have pointed out, what does it matter? Are the people visting the memorial going to magically become Islamo-fascist because the memorial is a mihrabi? Are people flying in planes overhead going to be suddenly converted to radical Islam?
No.
You see, it doesn't matter what shape the memorial is, what color the trees are in the autumn and what direction some lines you draw point - what matters is the the families of the victims liked and selected the design and will hopefully get some comfort out of the memorial.
The reason the memorial redesign is not that different from the original is not because of some grand conspiracy, but because the families of the victims liked it the way it was orignally. If the committee wanted to incorporate the world's biggest cross, who would we be to argue? Most of us know a memorial which is a big cross isn't going to magically convert anyone to radical Christianity. We live in the real world.
But sadly, there is no use arguing with a delusional person. We can only hope you get some psychiatric help.
Has anyone checked with Muslims to find out if they are disturbed that their religious symbols are being appropriated by a predominately non-Muslim country to build a memorial to a group of non-Muslim citizens? I'd think some of them would be pretty pissed off.
Wait a minute... is this glowing man made out of plastic and does he look like Santa? It's January 7th -- you need to take in your holiday ... I mean Christmas decorations, dude!
Is anyone reminded of the stuff written on bottles of Dr. Bronner's Peppermint Soap? The urgent tone, the one word or two in all-caps, the only thing missing is Dilute! Dilute!
Just read this an hour ago on the Oct 2005 Harper's "Findings" page:
"A study found that men tend to overcompensate when their masculinity is threatened; such behavior can manifest itself as homophobia, support for the war in Iraq, or the purchase of an SUV."
John QP : I do , and it is . Alex is freaked beacuse the Islamic world order ( its coming , just you see...New Isalamabad on the East River , no Joke Man !) got a guy named Murdoch to create a Muslim Memorial in advance of the Invasion (Arab army sufficient to occupy USA or in fact Pensylvania yet to be determined) ...OR , he's upset that the familes and tourists will be Duped into standing in the middle of some subliminal swastika...
Like the rest of the whineybabies the tough-guy right really are , they assume the American People are blind and unaware, and about to be take in by the sublest manipulation. Funny , the left seem to hold most of the traditional laws and the character of the people to be more durable than the conquering right do .
Okay, none of you think it matters whether the central feature of the memorial is the central feature of a mosque. But humor me. Somebody go and verify whether or not the crescent does indeed face directly away from Mecca.
You have to take a screen shot of the site plans ("alt" + "print screen") and paste it into MS Paint and use Paint's pixel counting tools. Then you have to compare with the Mecca direction from the great circle calculator above. It'll take you about 20 minutes. Then you can have something other than a fact-free discussion.
Wouldn't that be novel? Try it. I guarantee, it will make a significant difference in your world view. Facts! They actually exist, on all kinds of subjects. They could actually become your world, if you would pay attention to them.
A pair of sticks of straw fallen to form a cross may not be tread upon. They should be burned in Situ. Any birthmark of collection of birthmarks in the shape of a star indicate a child of Shaitan. This child should be placed out on a hill at the full moon for Wolves. Any child born with teeth is a child of Shaitan and should likewise be left for wolves. Any republican woman who thinks Bush made mistakes May have spoken to a Leftist and should be left out for wolves
Alec, Alec, slow down, listen to the people. We know you can find endless, fascinating claims of relationships between shapes, symbols, facts, dates and ideas. This is because this universe we live in is unimaginably complex and intertwined. Any of us, even the most brilliant multidimensional paragons of human intellect, focus only on the smallest part of it. That's the nature of reality. So when you go looking for something in this massive Rorschach test, you're going to find it! Just like Christians and Hindus and Muslims find their respective Gods, why atheists find their no-gods, and why delusional people of all stripes find their shiny needles amongst these infinite haystacks.
You've presented nothing that matters to anybody who has even a basic understanding of the complexities of reality.
So count all the pixels you want. We've got lives to lead and a country to save from people equally as nuts as you but with much bigger dicks to fuck us over with.
I just had Cashew Chicken for dinner and I'm certain some of the crescent-shaped cashews fulfilled the Great Circle requirement. Does that make my meal a mihrabi? Am I an Islamo-Fascist now that I have internalized the mihrabi?
The importance of planting the central features of a mosque on the crash site is not what it would mean to you foolish infidels (nothing) but what it means for Muslim believers. In every traditional school of Islamic doctrine, the first duty of all Muslims is to wreak all carnage necessary to keep any Islamic territory from ever reverting to infidel control. Planting mosques is one of the main ways that Muslims claim territory. If you want to see the scale of murder that mosque sites create in contested terrain, just look at the flashpoints of Muslim murder of Hindus in India. It all starts with the contested mosque sites.
Further, the United States has a far more radicalized Muslim population than most of the Muslim world. 80% of American mosques are Wahabbi mosques. That is bin Laden's sect. If we let Murdoch built the world's biggest mosque on the crash site, it will become a terrific point of conflict. In case you haven't noticed, we are in a world war.
But I am really struck by the utter dishonesty of all the commentators on this site. This pretense that you would be perfectly happy if a giant Christian church were built on the crash site. I know what you people are. You're the secular left, that gets irate over any government entanglement with Christianity.
It is like everybody on this site grabs for the quickest excuse they can come up with to dismiss contrary viewpoints. You don't even care if your excuses make the least bit of sense. Come on, there have to be SOME rational people here.
the first duty of all Muslims is to wreak all carnage necessary to keep any Islamic territory from ever reverting to infidel control. Planting mosques is one of the main ways that Muslims claim territory.
THIS is the bug up your ass?
They're "claiming territory"?
*guffaw*
yes, this will be their beachead for the Great Islamofascist Invasion of America...
iirc, that was the name of superboy's super-powered dog.
he also was from the planet krypton and wore a red cape.
kal-el might have been for truth, justice and the american way, but it's heartening to learn that he can be just as cheesy as earthlings by having his pet wear some form of human clothes.
with that said, a cape is a lot, lot better than a sweater,which i've seen on dogs and cats.
That would explain the constant bloodbath in Deerborn Michigan. I guess they are all waiting for the transistor radios under the bed to bark “Cut the tall trees”, then we'll regret all our flippant dismissals.
I suggest Rawls find out Murdoch's bank records and trace the funds back to Riyadh. How else can we be sure.
Claiming territory. Like them crusades but more architecture-y in nature ?
Come on, Ubu! Surely you know that the middle of Pennsylvania is on a ley line that points directly to Mecca! Of *course* that's where they'll strike first!
Alex, you keep missing the point that the families of the victims liked the design. What gives you the right to tell them that they shouldn't remember their loved ones in the way that they choose?
The Islamofascism must be taking hold since I refuse to give any money to the AFA. And I can't find an exorcist in the yellow pages.
Alec, please tell me what to do. I'm just a weak, defeatist female-like liberal. I just thought it was delicious Chinese food. And now those kryptoislamocommiebastards are going to consider me sacred territory and are going to try and conquer me as I build car bombs and suicide-bomber vests in my basement.
Was that your reaction when they took down the Trade Towers?
No, I sat on my ass and read a book to some schoolkids for the next twenty minutes.
Oh, wait -BUSH did that, just before hauling his little chicken ass off and letting adults like Richard Clarke run things.
And it's FUNNY you're so damn paranoid about MOOSILMS that you're convinced they're talking over the country, one Flight 93(SHanksville, PA. - let's roll and all that bullshit) at a time. Typical bedwetting paranoid whiny-ass tittie-baby rightwingnut.
From my naive point of view, it actually seems pretty darn OK to have an islamic symbol planted at the site of a tragedy caused, in no small part, by members of the church of islam acting in accordance with what they saw as the teachings of islam.
I would be perfectly happy with a big cross there too. The cross represents the religion of many of the victims. They're dead and right now they're finding out if any of that faith stuff they believed in was true. We can only wish them well, and a cross is a nice sign of that wishing.
Finally, you're somewhat incorrect in your assertions regarding muslim carnage. Have you recently re-read any good history of Spain from about 711-1492AD ?
Can I find anyone here who thinks it is not appropriate to place the central feature of a mosque as the central feature of the Flight 93 memorial? Please, speak up. Wouldn't you like to see how your compatriots would react?
Personally, I am thinking that the mosque defenders would soon be routed by the saner voices. I have seen Bogg's hit counter. I know there are a lot more people visiting than are commenting. Come on sane people. Don't be shy. Take the floor.
Was that your reaction when they took down the Trade Towers? Do you even remember what Flight 93 was?
Alec, just because you lack empathy with your fellow human beings doesn't mean your fellow human beings lack empathy with each other. In fact, the insistence of those on this board that the families should be allowed to choose the shape for the memorial is an example of this empathy. Allowing the families to choose the memorial that will bring them the most comfort is a way of honoring both the families and the dead, which is a concept you do not seem to understand. You feel that 9/11 and the deaths of that day are things to be used to advance your own paranoid theories, while the rest of us feel that 9/11 was a tragedy to be remembered.
Please Alec, grow some empathy for other people and get your head out of your ass.
You say red crescent, I say a semicircular walk around with some red maples (in the fall, so i guess it's a seasonal red crescent).
You say muslims laying claim to US territory, I say a memorial to some fine people.
I also remember the big brouhaha over the vietnam memorial, with folks calling maya lin a communist infiltrator and how it was a commi plot for her design to win.
Blissfully unaware of Rawls, I was. Blissfully, I tell you. Now I have to read all of his crap so I can realize that, as always my dear TBogg, you speaketh the truth.
Sice this memorial is being funded by Teresa Heinz-Kerry's foundation, it could depict Saddam Hussein being buttraped by Bush Himself and the wingnuts would still find fault with it.
It isn't too late . Chase the cashews with some Kentucky Burbon and Branch Water. Do not share your vital essence with Any working woman. Do not use flurodated toothpaste. It isn't too late and you don't have to Act on the Hate in you . They're just Nuts. It is also determined by my calculations ( using Mac-paint and the pixel counting tools) that since the cashews were definately ROTATING as they descended your esophagus, they were only alligned for at most .02 seconds each with Mecca. Gerabaldi v Arkansas finds this to be insufficient for you to be claimed as sacred territory.
Now , Mr Rawls, I can't seriously be expected to run your majic circle formula when you still haven't answered , or even acknowledged, my Pyramid question above . Now who is being unreasonable?
I think we have found the root of all the delusional ranting - Theresa Heinz-Kerry, the most feared-by-whiney-ass-wingnuts woman after Hillary Rodham Clinton.
Isn't it strange how contemptuous of women these fraidy-cat wingnuts are at the same time they are terrified of a woman who has some power, money and/or intelligence? It makes no sense to us sane folks.
Thanks for posting that link. An interesting FACT.
Alec keeps reaching out for people who agree with him that this truly matters, let alone worth spending hours on. I choose to respect the victim's families and their wishes. I'm sure that Alec truly thinks that he can honor their dead relatives better than they can.
Alec, Would you be satisfied if the memorial was rotated 45 or 90 degrees? Might not the topography of the site play a role in the orientation of the memorial?
Alec, The stone hard truth of the matter is that even those of us who are willing to concede that there might actually be islamic symbolism involved have thought the matter through and come to the conclusion that it doesn't matter.
Thank you for your deep concern; without it we probably wouldn't have given the symbolism a moment's thought. But now we have. And again, taking all your points into serious consideration, it just doesn't matter.
I'm sorry that the idea that some people think this way is driving you nuts.
In our next installment, Mr. Rawls writes, "And another thing: potable water fluoridation. It threatens our national bodily essence..."
Not really, but this post is young, or young-ish.
First, I know some of the memorial design team members, but not the Murdochs. I am thoroughly confident that, skilled as they are, that my aquaintances' jaws would hit the floor reading Mr. Rawls' "It points at Mecca!" accusation, if for no other reason than, if they'd wanted to point a crescent at Mecca, they damned well would have made sure that they didn't miss by 2 degrees. Oh, and to discover that a crescent "points" anywhere, at all, really. And to contend that the spire is sundial, using trees, not usually chosen to precisely mark anything, at all, well, that's just awesomely, deeply, far out into left field, way beyond the fence and the parking lots. (By the way, none of these people are Muslim, or speak or read Arabic, and I've known one of them for about 20 years.) As far as a gathering space goes, you'd think that they'd have rendered that central area flat, rather than kept the cross-slope, in order to better organize the gathering of the umma before prayers and to focus the crowd more easily. Otherwise, you'd might think that the crescent-shape merely is a path around, leading to something, something like the crash site. It's all about that funky third dimension, Mr. Rawls. Don't feel bad. People who don't read architectural plans very often don't realize that, just because the drawing is flat, that the thing drawn isn't.
And that comment doesn't even touch whether the crescent is an Islamic symbol. I remember when the French government banned overt religious symbols in public schools they were left scratching around for an Islamic symbol to cite as an answer to the prohibition against wearing obvious crosses or stars of David as pendants. (Best they could do: the Hand of Fatima--which I note, is suspiciously like that "shared resource" icon you get in Windows OS. I always knew Bill Gates was on the Other Side.) It's tough for a faith that rejects all graven images to come up with a symbol--which is why the crescent isn't truly taken as religious one. It has been associated with the most powerful Islamic state (the Ottoman Empire) and spread throughout that modern empire when Committees of the Red Cross were formed in it, and when the committee organizers realized that the appeal of a former crusader symbol was pretty small and maybe organizational success required something else. But, purely Islamic a crescent is not. In fact, I'd guess that the Muslims who most vigorously reject the crescent as an Islamic symbol are the very fundamentalists who applaud, and might join, al-Quaida.
I'd write more but...Well, I have to - I have to go now, Duane, because I, I'm due back on the planet Earth.
"Allowing the families to choose the memorial that will bring them the most comfort is a way of honoring both the families and the dead, which is a concept you do not seem to understand."
They are not going to feel much comfort, Luthe, when they realize that they have built the world's largest mosque on the crash site. I suspect it will destroy their lives. How do you live that down? They never will.
By your thinking, it was wrong for people on the ground to call the passengers on Flight 93 and warn them that the hijackers were not planning on negotiating. They should have been shielded from the unpleasant truth.
they have built the world's largest mosque on the crash site
Yes, Alec, I'm sure it will soon be full of ullulating Islamofascists praying to their Satanic gods and cheering their success at their clever infiltration of a Sacred Holy 9/11 Jesus-Bush-America site. Just remember to take off your shoes when entering soverign Islamofascist territory, or they'll saw your head off!
(That's sarcasm, by the way, since you evidently have trouble telling.)
What's with that "feminized liberal men" business? Simple. When they're not hating liberals for having better sex lives than they do, nutbar right-wingers like to project their sexual fears and fantasies onto them.
It's an inevitable consequence of the long-term right-wing campaign to recast liberalism and American political progressivism as The Other, something alien, rather than a reasonable and practical set of political beliefs their parents and grandparents happily supported. Any group that gets Othered will become a focus of sexual fantasies and projections by people in the designated mainstream. That's why Oriental and Middle Eastern fantasies are a major subcategory of British-American porn.
Rawls clearly feels threatened and defensive about images that read to him as being open, spread, unresisting, pliant, and vulnerable. He associates these characteristics, not with women, but with a feminized role taken by men.
(I dunno. Maybe someone told him Islam means "submission," and he took it wrong.)
Anyway, it makes Baby Rawls feel personally unsafe to be associated with such a supine (or prone; his pick) position. He deals with this by projecting it onto fantasized liberal men, then resents his invented liberal men for lying down and taking it, 'cause next thing you know, those guys are going to be spreading their feminized liberal cooties to him.
I just don't understand why Baby Rawls isn't in the military. Given his views, I don't see how he has much business being anywhere else.
They are not going to feel much comfort, Luthe, when they realize that they have built the world's largest mosque on the crash site.
I posted (@2:15): ...OR, he's upset that the families and tourists will be Duped into standing in the middle of some subliminal swastika...
DING, we have a winner, it’s Theory 2 .The Sheep Need Me Theory: The American people, in their childlike innocence (in this case the families who wrongly chose the too-mentioned memorial) have yet to Realize the ride they've been taken for. They need the strong-willed, clear thinking Mr. Rawls to show them their dangerous ignorance. People like Mr. Rawls have been ridiculed in the past only to shown to have been right all along. Thank god he's standing Vanguard for them at home, not in some dangerous place like Baghdad... as Scott C 1:45 said : Wow. They don't usually just jump into the butterfly net like that.
Alec raises a reasonable point regarding the orientation of the circle-thingy. But he neglects to mention that the memorial site is surrounded by roads, each of which intersects with another at a right angle.
THEY'RE CROSSES!!! AND THEY SURROUND (AND CONTAIN) THE BAD ISLAM SYMBOL!!!
The architects have subtlely shown that the power of Christ is all-encompassing.
Brian C.B.: You say you have friends who worked on the project. Why don't you suggest to them that they verify whether Murdoch's crescent is oriented on Mecca? It really is almost trivially easy to verify. I would not be surprised if Murdoch and his wife are the only one's who know the Islamic symbolism of what he did. The the other people really should investigate and know for themselves. Their reputations for the rest of their lives are at stake. The people at this site might be willfully blind in the extreme, but the majority of Americans will not be. The truth WILL out here, and your friends need to know what it is ASAP.
Their reputations for the rest of their lives are at stake. The people at this site might be willfully blind in the extreme, but the majority of Americans will not be.
Um ... "the majority of Americans" are going to subscribe to your insane theory that this memorial is a Secret Mosque In Disguise That Will Be The Flashpoint For An Islamofascist Slaughter Of Americans?
Do you really believe that you can convince "the majority of Americans" that Murdoch is a Secret Agent Of Islamofascism?
Even if Alec did apply to the military there is no way he would pass a psychiatric test - even with their drastically lowered standards.
But that's a good thing. Would you want this nut-job getting firearms and explosives training? If he survived Iraq, we might just have another Timothy McVeigh on our hands.
Just a reminder that all terrorists are not Islamic...
"I am thinking that the mosque defenders would soon be routed by the saner voices. I have seen Bogg's hit counter. I know there are a lot more people visiting than are commenting. Come on sane people. Don't be shy. Take the floor."
We're on the floor. We all think you're a froot loop. Thanks for the chuckles, Chuckles.
JohnQP: I've checked it out and it looks like you're safe .Chewing up the cashews totally body-slammed Allah; you're clear.
Glowing man update : He had a wire in him plugged into the wall outside!And to think I was calling the fbi for 8 years ,(and spray painted the windows black) for Nothing . Silly me.
"By a quirk of fate Flight 93 was delayed on the runway at Newark airport for 45 minutes. By the time it was airborne, the other three planes had reached their intended targets. As a result, the forty passengers and crew on board Flight 93 were the first to inhabit our new and terrifying post 9/11 world.
The terrible dilemma those passengers faced is the same we have been struggling with ever since. Do we sit passively and hope this all turns out okay? Or do we fight back and strike at them before they strike at us? And what will be the consequences if we do?" http://www.moviesonline.ca/movienews_6949.html
Alec is identifying with the passengers of Flight 93 but not with their families. Alec Rawls writes "The truth WILL out here, and your friends need to know what it is ASAP."
My question is: ASAP or else what? What in Alec Rawls mind is the worst thing that could happen if the design is built as is? What exactly is supposed to be at stake?
Surely not my life, my fortune or my sacred honor. But what about Alec's?
Please, please, please -- share with us any other evidence you have that Paul Murdoch and his associates are Secret Agents Of Islamofascism! Does Mr. Murdoch align his bathroom towels towards Mecca? Have any of his associate architects been spotted eating hummus?
Conspiracies by their nature are rebuttal-proof. If I come up with a million facts to say the flight 93 memorial is not a 'secret mosque' then I am clearly just part of the conspiracy. People will believe whatever they want to believe.
This is going to join the classic ranks of conspiracy theories alongside "Denver airport is full of occult symbolism" and "FEMA is building concentration camps" and "Bush let 9/11 happen on purpose".
Thanks. You see, this is what makes America great: people helping each other. You helped me with my cashew problem; I helped you with your glowing man problem.
People here seem to be under the impression that a half mile wide crescent, oriented on Mecca, can occur by random chance. I think that is pretty flakey, but don't worry, Murdoch provided plenty of confirmation. Look further into my analysis. There is also an array of crescents of trees in the Tower of voices section of the memorial. These are turned exactly 90 degrees to the large red crescent, so that a line across the tips of the crescents points to Mecca. There are numerous other proofs of intent in Murdoch's plan as well. He obviously anticipated the willfull blindness of people like you tboggers, and put in the multiply redundant proof necessary to make his accomplishment irrefutable once it is a fait accompli. Wake you little brains up. Take a look.
As for whether rotating the whole structure 90 degrees would make it acceptable, not at this point. Once the terrorist-memorial is discovered, obviously no remnant of it can be allowed to remain, because that is a remnant of a terrorist memorial.
